Is R2021a configured to automatically use Apple M1 chip for GPU and Neural Engine?

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Rishi Raj 2021-6-2

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评论： Peter Felfer 2022-1-27

采纳的回答： Joss Knight

The Apple M1 chip describes the following specs of its chip:

8-core CPU with 4 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores
7-core GPU/8-core GPU
16-core Neural Engine

Will the deep learning toolbox automatically use Apple M1 chip for GPU and Neural Engine?

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Joss Knight 2021-6-4

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No. MATLAB only supports NVIDIA GPUs for computation.

It's rare that we'll risk talking about the roadmap for MATLAB features in MATLAB Answers - not only is this privileged information, it can change very suddenly with events and then we end up looking like we're breaking promises.

I can however tell you that there will be no support for gpuArray objects on any Mac in the next 2021 release of MATLAB.

MathWorks regularly reviews its policies on GPU support. Where there is a market, a robust, stable, performance portable language and runtime, and an extensive, supported, multi-platform ecosystem of tools, there is a good incentive to expand. We will be watching all these factors as use of the Apple M1 evolves.

It does interest me what your use case might be. To my knowledge, the M1 is available only on laptops for now. Laptops are superb for prototyping, but are generally not designed for high performance computing or power hungry computation. We've usually found that people can do most of what they need on their laptops with ordinary arrays, and convert to gpuArray when they're ready to deploy into a higher performance, higher power environment. Do you find yourself performing long-running computations on your laptop for which performance is an issue? I can imagine perhaps a realtime webcam-based object detection system, while someone running a machine learning training algorithm for many hours may be less common.

Marko 2021-6-30

编辑：Marko 2021-6-30

@Joss Knight

It is understandable for me that a critical number of users must be reached to expand a product in a certain direction.

As you know, the advantage of GPUs is that they can perform "simple" operations very fast and highly parallelizable.

In the field of fluid mechanics, for example, the smoothed particle method (SPH) is very well suited to work on GPUs. With this method it is possible to run a real-time simulation.

According to my research, it is currently only possible to address the GPU via Apple's "Metal" API, if I am correct. And since Mathworks only supports certain nVidia GPUs, I assume that only the CUDA framework is used.

But I can also understand your reasons that if a maximum performance is required then CUDA based GPUs will be used.

e.g. Apple's M1 gpu has a performance of 2.6 teraflops (which is in consumer notebooks and iMacs) and the new $1,500 flagship card, the RTX 3090? 10,496 cores, for 36 teraflops.

So the new nVidia GPU is "only" 14x faster (in the theory).

Thank you for your detailed explanation

Joss Knight 2021-12-18

Hi Patrick. I'm guessing you updated this comment with my name to encourage me to respond?! I wish I had some sort of positive answer for you. Despite your example, it is still uncommon for laptops to be used for long-running high-power-consumption computation. At the same time it is a huge commitment to support an entirely new type of hardware accelerator, mainly because MATLAB depends on 3rd party libraries for much of its GPU acceleration and there isn't one for everything...but also because every type of processor has its own characteristics and there is no one algorithm best for everything. All this amounts to needing a truly compelling reason to support new accelerators. But don't worry, we review this almost continuously, and we're well aware of the large Apple market. I would encourage you to use your CPU for now which is none too shabby. (Or get yourself a new laptop with an NVIDIA GPU of course, or an external GPU enclosure.)

By the way, the M1 Max has 32 GPU cores, not 32 GPUs...it's not quite as amazing as that!

Joss

Joss Knight 2021-12-20

I sympathise Walter. Last time I was on a Mac I spent hours just working out how to open a file on the network.

But I think even the most intransigent developer would accept that it is really a matter of familiarity. I started out on Macs as a teenager and found the Unix systems I started out on at work baffling, until I realised just how powerfully configurable and inspectable they were. Forced to move to Windows, I resented the control being taken away until I realised that Windows has the best development tools of all the OSs. Forced then to move to Linux and its clunkier IDEs, I eventually realised that the Windows filesystem, a messy mishmash of decades-old and newer technologies, made cross-platform development almost impossible. But ultimately I know I could master anything given time, and I'm sure Patrick is the same. Like a move from iPhone to Android, as the advantages of one world are conceded, the wonders of another are exposed, and it really doesn't take that long.

Essentially he wants three things: 1. To use MATLAB, 2. To use the GPU and 3. To use MacOS. He must give up one of those things and I'm hardly going to advocate he give up number 1 (and I'm sure, given that would mean him rewriting absolutely everything, he wouldn't either).

Joss Knight 2021-12-20

It isn't just a matter of convincing MathWorks. You also need to convince Apple to provide support for a huge array of high performance computing software fundamentals. And then you need to convince your fellow Mac users to use their Macs as their primary system for performing long-running HPC calculations, like our friend Patrick here.

It'll be interesting to see how this evolves over the next few years - at the moment Apple doesn't seem particularly interested in this area (if you saw how Macs are supported in our Build-and-Test data center you'd understand), but that could change. The biggest challenge we seem to have with Apple is that they like proprietary hardware and they like the freedom to switch it out every few years. This makes it really hard to keep up. We'll keep doing our best though.

By the way, I think you were just being facetious but of course I'm not saying I can learn anything given time, just any operating system...I'm never going to truly understand advanced statistics, theology, or the value of Agile development practices no matter how much time you give me.

Joss Knight 2021-12-21

Well, it's been an interesting discussion and I'll certainly add this user story to the other cases for widening support for accelerators including Apple M1, AMD, Intel, TPU and others.

Peter Felfer 2022-1-27

Hi @Joss Knight,

I used to use the GPGPU a lot when it was available on my Mac, not because of long running siumulations, but because it makes my calculations (3D data reconstruction) that require user interaction interactive. This is not possible (still not) using the CPU. Maybe another very important aspect of having Mac GPGPU support.

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